Here is a picture of a well known Judoka on this forum, in osaekomi waza, have a look and tell me if its a good example of kesa gatame or not, and why

Please note that the "Well known Judoka" is Tori and NOT Uke !!

Dr Leadbeater wrote:

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Please note that the "Well known Judoka" is Tori and NOT Uke !!

Well, whats wrong with just making certain !!

Dr Leadbeater wrote:

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Well, whats wrong with just making certain !!

after some critisism you may wish you were Uke

It is so hard to tell how effective a pin is by a picture or video. Uke would be the best judge. Weight application is the key to osaekomi waza and that is almost impossible to determine by a picture.

I like to use the analogy that the tatami is one piece of wood, uke another, and tori is the fastener. Tori can apply weight like nail (straight down) or like a wood screw (properly torqued at an about 45 degree pitch). It's the mulitplier effect when you can increase your effective hold down weight by about 20 to 30 %. This is the key to effective pins and something that Yamashita was so good at. I know, I have been pinned by his yoko shiho gatame.

PTNippon Sensei,

This was an Open Match and Peter (Uke) claims it felt that I (Tori) was about 60 - 70 Kgs heavier than him when I (as you put it) screwed him into the Tatami.

The actual weight difference was about 7 - 12 Kilos ....in MY favour.

Does this make a difference to your reply ??